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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://chrisfullman.com/2008/09/why-the-hate-on-internet-explorer-6/comment-page-1/#comment-4275</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing all the time I waste writing the CSS styles for IE6 and now IE8. 

I don&#039;t know who originally said it, but this applies to blog post: &quot;There is no shortage of men who will defend the indefensible.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing all the time I waste writing the CSS styles for IE6 and now IE8. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know who originally said it, but this applies to blog post: &#8220;There is no shortage of men who will defend the indefensible.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Flavio</title>
		<link>http://chrisfullman.com/2008/09/why-the-hate-on-internet-explorer-6/comment-page-1/#comment-3916</link>
		<dc:creator>Flavio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>found the entry the other day on a friend of yours blog.
You&#039;re so right about this, we should give contest to the browser war.
By the way, i&#039;m not even updated on the shares, i just don&#039;t give a damn anymore about ie6, and i think most of people during 2008-2009 set on this mood, we finally saw the light knowing Win7 was on time, and we all see HTML5 moving so fast... and i think that because of that we are all running faster</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>found the entry the other day on a friend of yours blog.<br />
You&#8217;re so right about this, we should give contest to the browser war.<br />
By the way, i&#8217;m not even updated on the shares, i just don&#8217;t give a damn anymore about ie6, and i think most of people during 2008-2009 set on this mood, we finally saw the light knowing Win7 was on time, and we all see HTML5 moving so fast&#8230; and i think that because of that we are all running faster</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG! IE8 is even worser then IE6!!!!! I&#039;m working on a site for a client and I thought well lets check it in IE8. Result: Loads of script conflicts (such as PNG Alpha transparency in combination with jQuery opacity statements) and heaps of display problems. I&#039;ve tried to look for a png fix such as the ones for IE6 and came to the conclusion.... THERE IS NOT ONE!!!!!

AND NOW COMES IT!!!!.

I&#039;ve checked all the sites that I made over the last 2 years in IE8 and I was shocked to see that they all have major issues regarding usability, display and functionality.
After cursing for an hour or so and wishing Bill Fucking Gates everything what we don&#039;t want to have, I really don&#039;t know how I&#039;m going to explain my former clients that I need days and in some cases even, weeks, to solve all the issues and that they have to pay for me to do so while actually BILL FUCKING GATES have to pay me for that.

Seriously, I know that I as a web developer can&#039;t ignore Internet Explorer, because there are still too many end users stuck with the shitiest browser on earth, but deep in my Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome, etc, HEARTH... I WISH I COULD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG! IE8 is even worser then IE6!!!!! I&#8217;m working on a site for a client and I thought well lets check it in IE8. Result: Loads of script conflicts (such as PNG Alpha transparency in combination with jQuery opacity statements) and heaps of display problems. I&#8217;ve tried to look for a png fix such as the ones for IE6 and came to the conclusion&#8230;. THERE IS NOT ONE!!!!!</p>
<p>AND NOW COMES IT!!!!.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve checked all the sites that I made over the last 2 years in IE8 and I was shocked to see that they all have major issues regarding usability, display and functionality.<br />
After cursing for an hour or so and wishing Bill Fucking Gates everything what we don&#8217;t want to have, I really don&#8217;t know how I&#8217;m going to explain my former clients that I need days and in some cases even, weeks, to solve all the issues and that they have to pay for me to do so while actually BILL FUCKING GATES have to pay me for that.</p>
<p>Seriously, I know that I as a web developer can&#8217;t ignore Internet Explorer, because there are still too many end users stuck with the shitiest browser on earth, but deep in my Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome, etc, HEARTH&#8230; I WISH I COULD!</p>
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		<title>By: derekpm</title>
		<link>http://chrisfullman.com/2008/09/why-the-hate-on-internet-explorer-6/comment-page-1/#comment-2374</link>
		<dc:creator>derekpm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather interesting. Has few times re-read for this purpose to remember. Thanks for interesting article. Waiting for trackback</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather interesting. Has few times re-read for this purpose to remember. Thanks for interesting article. Waiting for trackback</p>
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		<title>By: Enrique Ramírez</title>
		<link>http://chrisfullman.com/2008/09/why-the-hate-on-internet-explorer-6/comment-page-1/#comment-1876</link>
		<dc:creator>Enrique Ramírez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 19:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re using the resasons why IE6 is a bad browser to excuse it from it&#039;s flaws. Truth be told, it&#039;s a bad browser. The reasons can be anything you want them to be: the times, the pressure for the developers, the lack of competition. You can even put on the table the good things IE6 has done; but in the end, it is a very bad browser.

Why is it hated? Because of that. It&#039;s just not right. Yes, it&#039;s Microsoft fault for not updating their browser for so many years and forcing developers to work with a pretty outdated product. If you were a web developer and you were forced to work with an outdated PHP and/or mySQL version when you have much better, updated version of the same thing, you&#039;d hate that too.

We hate it for being plain wrong, and the reasons I do understand, but they are no excuse for a bad browser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re using the resasons why IE6 is a bad browser to excuse it from it&#8217;s flaws. Truth be told, it&#8217;s a bad browser. The reasons can be anything you want them to be: the times, the pressure for the developers, the lack of competition. You can even put on the table the good things IE6 has done; but in the end, it is a very bad browser.</p>
<p>Why is it hated? Because of that. It&#8217;s just not right. Yes, it&#8217;s Microsoft fault for not updating their browser for so many years and forcing developers to work with a pretty outdated product. If you were a web developer and you were forced to work with an outdated PHP and/or mySQL version when you have much better, updated version of the same thing, you&#8217;d hate that too.</p>
<p>We hate it for being plain wrong, and the reasons I do understand, but they are no excuse for a bad browser.</p>
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		<title>By: Seun Lawal</title>
		<link>http://chrisfullman.com/2008/09/why-the-hate-on-internet-explorer-6/comment-page-1/#comment-1782</link>
		<dc:creator>Seun Lawal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right chris, but the thing is we developers don&#039;t decide what choice of &quot;internet browser&quot; the users choose.
Considering the fact that most surfers still use windows xp and do not have the  worries of a developer ... its IE 6&#039;s fault that most people aren&#039;t aware its now old and need replacement.
So ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right chris, but the thing is we developers don&#8217;t decide what choice of &#8220;internet browser&#8221; the users choose.<br />
Considering the fact that most surfers still use windows xp and do not have the  worries of a developer &#8230; its IE 6&#8217;s fault that most people aren&#8217;t aware its now old and need replacement.<br />
So &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Clark</title>
		<link>http://chrisfullman.com/2008/09/why-the-hate-on-internet-explorer-6/comment-page-1/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 06:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m quite ambivalent about IE6 nowdays, while it&#039;s reducing in market share it&#039;s going to remain significant for a long time yet. Perhaps its real crime was the longevity of 7 long years alongside the growing expectations of web standards developers.

The next pain in the butt for us is probably the rapid releases of browser versions now. I&#039;m getting more calls asking about version x.x not looking right in browser X. The expectation that we&#039;ll all happily keep upgrading browsers en masse is also a bit naive. We need to accept that our environment is a complicated one - regardless of who the demon of the day currently is.

Google Chrome? It&#039;s yet to be realised whether this will require new workarounds. I&#039;ve installed and been testing it and get this constant Google Installer notification that comes back even when approved - every 10 to 15 minutes. So its fast but obviously not without its own flaws.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m quite ambivalent about IE6 nowdays, while it&#8217;s reducing in market share it&#8217;s going to remain significant for a long time yet. Perhaps its real crime was the longevity of 7 long years alongside the growing expectations of web standards developers.</p>
<p>The next pain in the butt for us is probably the rapid releases of browser versions now. I&#8217;m getting more calls asking about version x.x not looking right in browser X. The expectation that we&#8217;ll all happily keep upgrading browsers en masse is also a bit naive. We need to accept that our environment is a complicated one &#8211; regardless of who the demon of the day currently is.</p>
<p>Google Chrome? It&#8217;s yet to be realised whether this will require new workarounds. I&#8217;ve installed and been testing it and get this constant Google Installer notification that comes back even when approved &#8211; every 10 to 15 minutes. So its fast but obviously not without its own flaws.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://chrisfullman.com/2008/09/why-the-hate-on-internet-explorer-6/comment-page-1/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;dude. seriously? the fact that its 7 years old means it should be abandoned.&quot;  You don&#039;t have kids, do you?  (-:

Yes, IE6 has become a huge pain in the ass for developers.  (Paradoxically, it also &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000606.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gave most of us our jobs&lt;/a&gt;.)  But guess what?  &lt;i&gt;Everything&lt;/i&gt; is a huge pain in the ass for developers.

Internet Explorer is a piece of consumer software, and by most measures, it&#039;s some of the most successful software in history.  You really have to ask yourself why all these millions of people have ignored the alternatives and REPEATEDLY OPTED OUT of the free IE7 upgrade.  From the user side, the difference obviously isn&#039;t as dramatic as you&#039;re making it out to be.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;dude. seriously? the fact that its 7 years old means it should be abandoned.&#8221;  You don&#8217;t have kids, do you?  (-:</p>
<p>Yes, IE6 has become a huge pain in the ass for developers.  (Paradoxically, it also <a href="http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000606.html" rel="nofollow">gave most of us our jobs</a>.)  But guess what?  <i>Everything</i> is a huge pain in the ass for developers.</p>
<p>Internet Explorer is a piece of consumer software, and by most measures, it&#8217;s some of the most successful software in history.  You really have to ask yourself why all these millions of people have ignored the alternatives and REPEATEDLY OPTED OUT of the free IE7 upgrade.  From the user side, the difference obviously isn&#8217;t as dramatic as you&#8217;re making it out to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Agustin Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://chrisfullman.com/2008/09/why-the-hate-on-internet-explorer-6/comment-page-1/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Agustin Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, even without a comparison to other browsers, IE6&#039;s faulty support of the box model, weird errors encountered with margins when floating items, quirks mode (...I can add more and more and more) made it a shitty browser even back when it &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; relevant.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, even without a comparison to other browsers, IE6&#8217;s faulty support of the box model, weird errors encountered with margins when floating items, quirks mode (&#8230;I can add more and more and more) made it a shitty browser even back when it <i>was</i> relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Fullman</title>
		<link>http://chrisfullman.com/2008/09/why-the-hate-on-internet-explorer-6/comment-page-1/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Fullman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said, I completely support the grassroots campaigns to get people to switch to a newer version of IE or another browser altogether. But this post isn&#039;t about switching, it&#039;s about the browser itself. With age, any software or hardware shows its irrelevance when compared to modern versions, but that doesn&#039;t mean that said older software or hardware is inherently bad.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said, I completely support the grassroots campaigns to get people to switch to a newer version of IE or another browser altogether. But this post isn&#8217;t about switching, it&#8217;s about the browser itself. With age, any software or hardware shows its irrelevance when compared to modern versions, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that said older software or hardware is inherently bad.</p>
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